This film was, for many, the first time they cried in a movie theater... this 90 minute big screen commercial for toys is actually a great film with some fine animation, a great voice cast, fun storytelling and one of the most rock anthem soundtracks of the 80's. Podcast listeners, transform and roll out with Jeff, Yuta and special guest Mike Maihack, author, artist and creator of "Cleopatra in Space" as they reminisce about this classic film.
[00:00:00] Welcome to the podcast is real.
[00:00:03] It's time for a Geek Reline.
[00:00:07] Guess up the Delorean, we're going back.
[00:00:11] 1986.
[00:00:13] Alright so we've done 1986 before so I'm not going to go into the history as much this
[00:00:18] time as brief recap you might remember it was the year Oprah's show premiere, The Goodwill
[00:00:22] Games debuted, Hands Across America, Phantom of the Opera debuted.
[00:00:27] It was also the year of Chernobyl and the Challenger Shuttle Tragedy.
[00:00:30] In fact, the movie we talked about last time we did 1986 was Space Camp and in light of
[00:00:35] news last week, I just want to say, Rest in Peace to Kelly Preston who was in that movie
[00:00:39] and passed away from breast cancer recently.
[00:00:41] But this week, we're going to use the rewind to hit another great nostalgic Geek Favorite
[00:00:47] film of that year.
[00:00:49] Budgeted at $6 million which was more than six times what it cost to make three episodes
[00:00:55] of the animated series that was based on.
[00:00:57] This film boasted a Hollywood legend, a sci-fi icon, some of the most famous voice actors
[00:01:02] of all time and a man who made his claim to fame just by talking really fast.
[00:01:07] A company by a rock soundtrack punctuated by a fight turned a dance party to Weird
[00:01:13] Eye Anchor Mix dare to be stupid and likely the single greatest pump you up Geek
[00:01:18] Rock Anthem of all time Utah.
[00:01:25] You got the touch, you got the power, you don't remember the rest of the words there.
[00:01:35] It's in the Transformer movie, you got the touch.
[00:01:42] This movie would find itself 99th in the box office of 1986, 99th just made it into
[00:01:49] the top 100th but as we all know it is way more than meets the eye and is certainly prime
[00:01:55] in so many of our hearts today.
[00:01:58] We rewind and watch Transformers The Movie.
[00:02:03] I will say it right now if you haven't seen this film and you want to trust me, you
[00:02:07] want to see it.
[00:02:08] You don't want to be spoiled, stop the podcast, go watch it and come back because we
[00:02:12] don't want to spoil things but God people it's been 40 years almost.
[00:02:17] If I can't spoil a movie that's 36 years after the math.
[00:02:22] Years all then we got a problem but seriously yeah there's a major spoiler in like the
[00:02:27] first 10 minutes of this movie so we're going to talk about it.
[00:02:31] Can we start off by talking about how this was basically just an ad for toys and I don't
[00:02:35] care one bit it was amazing.
[00:02:38] That's what the TV show was, the TV show was a 30 minute commercial for these
[00:02:42] great performers.
[00:02:43] All the shows that I enjoyed commercials.
[00:02:45] That's what made them so great though is because you watch the show, you go the
[00:02:50] toy store, you get the character that you watched that morning and then there's a new
[00:02:56] character the next day that was yeah being a kid in the 80s is the bad.
[00:03:01] Probably not for our parents as well.
[00:03:06] So amazing, which we can still do it like that.
[00:03:09] Right right.
[00:03:10] That's true.
[00:03:11] It's and I love how the fact like in GI Joe, in Transformers 2 there's always some kind
[00:03:15] of moral of the story like there's always we're a commercial we want your parents,
[00:03:20] we want you to get your parents divided these products.
[00:03:22] Oh but by the way don't you drugs?
[00:03:24] Yeah.
[00:03:25] So that then the parents are like, oh it's okay so this show is not a bad idea.
[00:03:28] Okay it's good influence right now you know.
[00:03:32] That's right and that knowing is half the battle.
[00:03:35] Do you guys?
[00:03:36] Oh my gosh.
[00:03:38] Yeah well the thing that the worst part about this movie being an advertisement though
[00:03:44] is that it came out of the time that Hasbro was getting ready to release a whole new line
[00:03:49] of Transformers which means basically in the first hour of the movie is spent killing
[00:03:55] everyone you love.
[00:03:57] Like every single character dies that every single one that I had was dead before the
[00:04:05] halfway point of the movie.
[00:04:06] Bumblebee.
[00:04:07] Bumblebee came back.
[00:04:08] That's true.
[00:04:09] Yeah you think he dies.
[00:04:10] Yeah.
[00:04:11] You find it.
[00:04:12] Well there.
[00:04:13] That was also the interesting thing was that they did this thing and obviously
[00:04:18] committed to the new line of Transformers because after the movie then all those new
[00:04:23] characters came in for the TV show and then they realized that was a mistake because
[00:04:28] nobody liked the new Transformers.
[00:04:31] Nobody liked Roddom's prime.
[00:04:33] Well maybe some people did but they wanted Optimus back right?
[00:04:38] Yeah.
[00:04:39] And so then they found the way well I think it was like the it was a season finale of like
[00:04:43] well I don't know a season three or four which everyone was right after the movie.
[00:04:46] They actually rewrote the ending of the season.
[00:04:50] So they could find a way to bring Optimus back.
[00:04:54] And so I found that I found that interesting.
[00:04:56] You know and then the voice cast you mentioned it you mentioned in the intro Jeff what
[00:05:02] of voice cast totally cow.
[00:05:03] Yeah like the FedEx guy who has a Guinness Book of World Records for speaking the fastest
[00:05:08] he was like they just threw him in there for who knows what.
[00:05:13] Well because his character was supposed to be working as speedying and going fast.
[00:05:16] Yeah right.
[00:05:18] Yeah.
[00:05:18] He just but it just not guy.
[00:05:22] That that is like a uniquely 80s like guy right like I don't think there's nobody
[00:05:28] liked that guy these days John John Machita Jr. was the guy's name that's his name and
[00:05:33] he would do and he he he talked fast that's what he did.
[00:05:38] He had to get in was commercials and he was on TV is on Carson like he was everywhere talking
[00:05:45] fast like that's what he did and then of course he made it into a transformers into
[00:05:50] a timeless classic.
[00:05:52] But yeah, let's talk about the voice cast right so when I mentioned a Hollywood legend
[00:05:57] I mean Orson Wells orson Wells.
[00:05:59] Oh my gosh.
[00:06:00] Orson Wells voice.
[00:06:01] Holy cow.
[00:06:02] And it like there's no way unicorn would have that presence without this right.
[00:06:09] Right.
[00:06:10] It's probably.
[00:06:11] Oh, we're having a little more.
[00:06:12] It's just I can't imagine it was just it was so different to it.
[00:06:17] The tech is so calm you know like usually you know that the bag and these cartoons
[00:06:24] are just so like.
[00:06:25] Oh everything over the top.
[00:06:26] Oh, I've ever been to the top.
[00:06:27] I've ever been to the top.
[00:06:28] Right.
[00:06:29] This is a start.
[00:06:30] Start screen is a perfect.
[00:06:31] It's almost like you know he was just kind of phoning in it but he.
[00:06:36] Right.
[00:06:37] They're recording him like well he was lying in bed and they're like, oh my God.
[00:06:42] Yeah, you do wonder how that came about like I mean like you thought of it.
[00:06:47] We have this cartoon and the robots changing the cars and back and they're fighting each
[00:06:54] other for the future of their planet and ours and we want you to voice one of these
[00:07:00] these robots.
[00:07:01] It's not just not just an interesting or the best thing to do.
[00:07:05] The greatest citizen can.
[00:07:06] It's whatever.
[00:07:07] Yeah.
[00:07:08] Yeah.
[00:07:09] And he's like okay.
[00:07:10] I'll do it.
[00:07:11] I don't know.
[00:07:12] I'd love to like have been in that picture.
[00:07:14] What's the background for that?
[00:07:15] Yes.
[00:07:16] I hope there's there's video of that somewhere.
[00:07:19] And then like literally, me, boy.
[00:07:21] Lent her knee, boy.
[00:07:22] Yeah.
[00:07:23] That's Galvatron right?
[00:07:24] So good.
[00:07:25] I love like the scene where he or your unicorn transforms Megatron into Galvatron.
[00:07:31] And here's the thing.
[00:07:32] Megatron, I was never a big Megatron there and I didn't like this is forced to norodene
[00:07:37] it never made sense.
[00:07:38] He turned to a little handgun.
[00:07:39] That star screen of all people who he hated was always the one that would hold them.
[00:07:44] They didn't make sense.
[00:07:45] So the turning into something with Leonard de Moist Forest which sounds so much more
[00:07:50] you know, so much more threatening.
[00:07:52] And then they make a mechanic.
[00:07:54] And then the first act that he does is destroy star screen.
[00:08:00] I remember sitting there and doing that whole thing.
[00:08:03] And I was just like, this is the best, this is the greatest thing I've ever seen in my
[00:08:09] entire of the levels.
[00:08:10] I think I was seven years old and then this is incredible.
[00:08:14] You know, this is everything I want to see happen for Megatron.
[00:08:19] Although, I would say Megatron's a better name in Galvatron.
[00:08:22] Megatron's a better name for sure but Galvatron was a much better character.
[00:08:26] Oh, for sure.
[00:08:27] Yeah.
[00:08:28] Until I grew with you there.
[00:08:29] And Neymar just has voiced fit the look of the character so much.
[00:08:33] He's a really good job.
[00:08:34] Yeah, he really, yeah, he put his egg into poison and then we could do Nelson.
[00:08:39] Yeah.
[00:08:40] And that was not a choice.
[00:08:41] It fit, but it fits.
[00:08:43] It fits Hot Rod's character.
[00:08:44] And he's literally a hot, he's hot, right?
[00:08:48] He just, he rushes into things.
[00:08:51] He's full hearty.
[00:08:52] He's, he's, he's, John Nelson.
[00:08:56] You know, as in the eight from the eighties they got based off of all his roles.
[00:09:00] He was playing.
[00:09:01] Now, if you'd started playing in this bender from breakfast club, that could have
[00:09:06] been a whole different movie like that one in a very interesting.
[00:09:08] I'd been great.
[00:09:09] You were going to more any more of a shock.
[00:09:12] But I do like in hilarious.
[00:09:15] We're talking about just like some of the most famous voice actors.
[00:09:18] I mean, Scott Man Carothers who has done this.
[00:09:21] It was just his voice.
[00:09:22] I mean, he's just famous for his voice period, right?
[00:09:25] I mean, the guy just got such an iconic voice.
[00:09:28] He played jazz.
[00:09:29] He was also Hong Kong, Fui back in the day.
[00:09:31] If you guys remember that cartoon.
[00:09:32] Oh, yeah.
[00:09:33] Yeah, wedged it.
[00:09:34] Yeah.
[00:09:35] Peter Cullen of course is Optimus Prime and nobody else could ever do that voice
[00:09:39] just as some so glad that even in the Michael Bay movies, they kept him around because
[00:09:44] can you imagine?
[00:09:45] Can you imagine?
[00:09:46] Yeah.
[00:09:47] I mean, there was already a hard enough to swallow some of the stuff that went on
[00:09:50] in those movies.
[00:09:51] But if it had been a different voice, I would have been like, come on.
[00:09:54] I don't know.
[00:09:55] I think that when they were, they, you know, they made that live action, lying
[00:10:00] King movie and they retested everybody except for them.
[00:10:03] Yeah.
[00:10:04] That's the same thing.
[00:10:05] It's like, no, yeah.
[00:10:06] I don't know who else can do this.
[00:10:07] Nobody.
[00:10:08] So I love that long here.
[00:10:10] Frank Frank Walker who is still doing voices today is like 17 different voices
[00:10:16] in this as usual.
[00:10:17] Like, and anything he's in, he's like a bunch of people.
[00:10:19] He does.
[00:10:20] But he's, he's Megatron.
[00:10:22] I didn't realize he was also soundwave.
[00:10:24] Like, he's both of those characters.
[00:10:26] And then he's rumble frenzy, ravaged.
[00:10:29] He's also wheely.
[00:10:30] He's a junkie.
[00:10:31] So far.
[00:10:32] And then, of course, you know, I just, I don't just blank.
[00:10:35] Thank you.
[00:10:36] Eric, I always had to.
[00:10:38] You read my mind where you toned out was exactly where I was going.
[00:10:41] Eric, I don't.
[00:10:42] And that character was so bizarre.
[00:10:45] But what I thought was interesting in this because I watched it again today is he quotes
[00:10:50] television.
[00:10:51] He uses television to speak.
[00:10:52] Like, that's how he learned to speak.
[00:10:54] And the Michael Bay movies did a similar thing with Bobbi's voice.
[00:10:59] Do you remember that?
[00:11:00] Oh, that's right.
[00:11:01] I didn't use Bobbi's voice.
[00:11:02] That's right.
[00:11:03] He's still doing it through the radio.
[00:11:04] I wonder if that was an inspiration.
[00:11:06] I mean, I doubt they came up with that on the room.
[00:11:08] Yeah.
[00:11:09] But I wonder if that's some sort of homage because that was kind of interesting.
[00:11:12] But yeah, it forgot and all about that.
[00:11:14] Yeah.
[00:11:15] Or put those two things together.
[00:11:16] Yeah.
[00:11:17] That's a very insightful.
[00:11:18] There's Casey Kasem is in there.
[00:11:20] That's right.
[00:11:21] Cliff jumper.
[00:11:22] Of course all these famous voices I just mentioned are dead in the first.
[00:11:25] Oh, no.
[00:11:26] But yeah, and superjuts.
[00:11:29] Superjuts.
[00:11:30] Of characters that died.
[00:11:32] I mean, I think transformers to movie might have been the first time I cried
[00:11:37] in a movie theater because come on, an optimist prime.
[00:11:40] It was a great idea.
[00:11:41] I think there's no way optimist prime just died.
[00:11:46] I know.
[00:11:47] I don't have a lot of vivid memories as a child.
[00:11:50] It's really hard for me to remember some of these things.
[00:11:52] But I'm sure I set through the credits of that movie, even though that wasn't a time
[00:11:56] when grand credit seems where to think because there's no way optimist prime is really
[00:12:01] dead, right?
[00:12:02] That didn't really happen, right?
[00:12:04] No, it's true.
[00:12:05] No, I'm right there with you.
[00:12:06] I think there are two cinematic moments in my young theater going career that actually
[00:12:12] I cried in the theater.
[00:12:14] One was optimist prime's death.
[00:12:15] The other one was Spock's death.
[00:12:16] Yeah.
[00:12:17] And those were two cinematic moments that actually affected me so much that I cried.
[00:12:25] So I mean, that speaks to how invested I was with these characters.
[00:12:28] I mean, an optimist prime and he sacrificed himself.
[00:12:31] Yeah, so we made my great leader, you know, every great leader.
[00:12:34] And that's the book end of that where Hoprad is willing to do the same thing, eventually
[00:12:41] turns around the misprime.
[00:12:43] But what turns him into a leader, you know, he has to be willing to sacrifice himself
[00:12:49] for the rest, you know, for the greater good, for everybody else.
[00:12:54] But everybody else's life before his, which is really the, you know, the major theme
[00:13:01] I put in all the stories that I write.
[00:13:03] I'll come stems from watching, you know, this transwarmers.
[00:13:07] Really?
[00:13:08] I just love that so much.
[00:13:12] The way they were able to track his, the way they're, the way they're a structure,
[00:13:17] his hero journey to being a leader in such a short, like they just introduced the
[00:13:22] character by the end of the movie.
[00:13:24] He's a leader of the other.
[00:13:25] But it feels, it's smooth.
[00:13:28] It doesn't feel rushed, you know?
[00:13:29] Yeah, they didn't, they didn't less than 90 minutes.
[00:13:32] Yeah.
[00:13:33] Not that long of a movie.
[00:13:34] It's so, it's so well put together so well found out.
[00:13:38] I always think about when I'm creating a story, it's like how concise can I make this
[00:13:43] that it's still gonna resonate with readers, you know?
[00:13:45] How could I make this more like Roddamper's prayer?
[00:13:48] This is like, tri-tr-it's transwarmers movie is one of the, it's one of the greatest movies
[00:13:52] of all time.
[00:13:53] It's really, it's just, I can't, I can't, I just can't say enough about it.
[00:13:59] I'm amazed at it because it didn't perform very well at the theater.
[00:14:04] No, it was like I said, 99th in the, in the box office.
[00:14:08] But I mean, we talked about, when we talked about space camp, we talked about the other
[00:14:11] movies that came out that year.
[00:14:12] That's right.
[00:14:13] I mean, top gun came out that year, credit kid part two, James Cameron's aliens,
[00:14:19] the aliens were platoon, even an American tale was in the top 10.
[00:14:24] You know what I mean?
[00:14:25] Yeah.
[00:14:26] It was, you had the pizza hot tie-ins and stuff.
[00:14:29] Right.
[00:14:30] Right.
[00:14:32] Looking ahead, lab rent was number 66 that year.
[00:14:36] I'm looking at geek movies and I'll look at all the other ones.
[00:14:39] Just the ones that flight of navigator came out that year.
[00:14:43] Interesting.
[00:14:44] But yeah, one of the reasons that, and I want to make sure that we don't ignore
[00:14:48] Alia here because we've been kind of going really in here.
[00:14:50] She's actually totally quiet there.
[00:14:52] All of us.
[00:14:53] I do guys just like, we just totally go on.
[00:14:56] I just let it happen.
[00:14:58] That's why I want to stop and take a moment because one of the great things about
[00:15:01] having Alia here is that she did not grow up with this movie.
[00:15:06] It did not come out when she was a kid.
[00:15:08] It was before she was born.
[00:15:10] And then we asked her to watch it.
[00:15:13] Now I know that you like anime though, you're a fan of anime.
[00:15:16] You're into those types of movies.
[00:15:18] And so I've had a feeling maybe this would might have some appeal to you.
[00:15:23] So tell us what you thought of Transformers as a hold-up.
[00:15:26] It does.
[00:15:27] And honestly, I one of my favorite things to learn about is origin stories.
[00:15:33] Kind of like with Batman and Robin just or the Joker,
[00:15:38] just trying to figure out where it all started or where it all began.
[00:15:41] So for me this was something that I was really interested in as soon as you as soon as
[00:15:46] we were talking, as soon as we first started talking about it.
[00:15:49] And of course, I was very frustrated.
[00:15:52] Same as you guys.
[00:15:54] When I'm not going to start.
[00:15:56] I one of my biggest pet peeves is when characters don't uphold or when movies don't depict a character's powers,
[00:16:05] as accurately as I feel like they should.
[00:16:08] And then keep in mind that I said, I feel as though they should because I'm thinking this is a big robot.
[00:16:13] I've been as prime as super powerful and then he dies.
[00:16:17] It just so frustrating to me.
[00:16:20] But I understand it in the sense of when it was made and introducing new characters and things and so on.
[00:16:28] So as I was watching it, it didn't resonate with me in the same way as you guys did.
[00:16:33] Did you dig grow up with that type of movie?
[00:16:36] But I was still, is it weird to say that I'm honored that I still get to reminisce and you know,
[00:16:43] rewatch these films that take it.
[00:16:46] Yeah, you know, was like backing your guys is hey, day or glory days or whatever you want to call it.
[00:16:51] I don't start.
[00:16:54] And outside of, you know, the graphics I loved it.
[00:16:59] I will mention the graphics and I mentioned this kind of similarly to Ithpirates, you know,
[00:17:04] you could tell looks a little pixelated in my opinion.
[00:17:08] Burgs is to what things look like now, but I still love that old school old school feel.
[00:17:14] And I do really dollars.
[00:17:16] Well, I mean, the animation, I mean, there's a lot of detail in that in those in our or for it's time.
[00:17:23] Yeah, was what was was phenomenal right?
[00:17:26] I mean, like compared to the series.
[00:17:28] Sure.
[00:17:29] Yeah, the teleponseries in comparison is the pales that it's true just in the just in the details out
[00:17:35] of some of the transformations you can tell they they spend a little more time.
[00:17:40] Yeah, they would really sort of show some of the mechanics and twist things stuff.
[00:17:45] So when they turn into whatever, you know, it's just like, oh, yeah.
[00:17:49] I mean, I mean, I mean, for the longest time, I still don't know where the damn trailer comes from.
[00:17:55] Yeah, but it's a bit of a show.
[00:17:58] But I don't care.
[00:18:00] And then it just goes away.
[00:18:01] Yeah, I understand that.
[00:18:03] It just shows.
[00:18:05] Speaking of the animation, one of the interesting things that I read as I was doing all that a research on this is that it was done by the same people who do the show.
[00:18:15] And they were producing the show still at the same time.
[00:18:19] So they like they had people working around the clock, like multiple different animators working on the show and the guy who directed it and everything.
[00:18:27] I guess was in charge of both.
[00:18:29] And so it was like, oh, we're all crazy.
[00:18:33] Okay, now I want to go back.
[00:18:34] I want to go back and see if the TV show quality like went down because during that production.
[00:18:40] Right. Well, that was interesting. That's a bit of trivia that it was six times what three episodes would cost basically so that you know what I mean, like that's that alone speaks to why the animation was so much better.
[00:18:52] But it also looks a lot like the anime that came back came out in those days.
[00:18:56] I mean, if you compare it to Akira or vampire hunter D or any of those movies that came out back then.
[00:19:02] It's a very similar style.
[00:19:04] But you know, compared to today, it's a different style of animation, but that's how I'm in drawn.
[00:19:11] Yeah.
[00:19:12] At the time it was really good.
[00:19:14] I think the fact that they're all robots to kind of helps it hold up a little bit.
[00:19:18] Yeah, yes.
[00:19:19] Yeah, they can be a little bit more stiff and.
[00:19:22] Yeah, yeah.
[00:19:24] And so it still works.
[00:19:26] That is one of the things that I love most about the about old school animation is the fact that most of it is hand drawn and the attention to detail or you know the character design is I don't want to say, you know more prone to being being flawed but also more prone to being accepted or more beautiful than today's you know just strictly.
[00:19:52] Whatever digital.
[00:19:54] Yeah, yeah, and that's one of the reasons why I am in fact way with studio.
[00:20:00] Okay, because it was just that hand, you know, the artwork is just phenomenal and you know they just don't do stuff like that.
[00:20:08] No.
[00:20:09] It's just more life like, you know, they get the subtleties and you need a little bit of exaggeration in the artwork for the real which sounds weird.
[00:20:19] You need to stretch these characters out and do things that if you were to pause it would look odd but in the motion in the motion if they just feel so much more natural.
[00:20:29] CGI feels a little bit more stiff because you don't see a lot of that I would give us to about anything to see a return to 2D animation to see Disney make another 2D animated movie you know I mean like the last one was what princess in the frog.
[00:20:44] I would love to.
[00:20:45] Yeah, I would love to see.
[00:20:46] I would love to see another you know actual hand drawn animation return.
[00:20:53] I mean, they're using computers now even with beauty in the beast there was a mix right they used computers and hand drawn those first.
[00:21:00] To create some really you know I would love to see Disney return to that I missed that a lot.
[00:21:06] And there's a long with a three I mean it's it's a new style and it's great and it's its own medium it's very cool.
[00:21:12] I'm not not knocking that at all.
[00:21:15] I'm just saying we can still do the two days.
[00:21:20] That's awesome too, but I think that you know the computers it's you know I don't know if it's just I don't want to say it's easier but I mean I guess they can create these characters and reuse you know the way when I I know from doing a lot of the stuff that I do in computers and do a video production.
[00:21:34] You know if I have stuff that I already use and when I'm editing like if I can use things again.
[00:21:39] It's a lot easier to have in the draw things from the start you know yeah so I guess it it's safe some time probably some money but man I would I would and a hurt beat support to the animated film coming back.
[00:21:52] I watched one I think was like a documentary maybe on YouTube or something of this artist who was you know he worked.
[00:22:04] Maybe he could have spent like an entire year designing the this entire concept design or character design of how you wanted a series to look like and they sent it off to the producer and then then say like oh I don't like this that none of this at all.
[00:22:18] And then he just wasted all of this time you know just designing everything for nothing.
[00:22:25] All by you know scratch versus the 3D which you know like you said I definitely agree with it being you know time efficient and probably less costly.
[00:22:35] And then even just on the mental somebody says oh I hate all of your work.
[00:22:40] And then you have to go and redo it all but you know there's just still something very beautiful about it you know.
[00:22:47] I don't know if you guys saw a clouds the Christmas movie that was on that.
[00:22:50] Oh love that.
[00:22:51] That was beautifully animated really well written really good that's what I'd like to see I mean I guess I guess I got it.
[00:22:57] I guess I got it.
[00:22:58] It didn't go into theater you know I mean like it right to go into the right to see a big screen actually.
[00:23:01] Yeah, I'm a theater girl or two and yeah but it's the same time.
[00:23:06] I'm happy that I'll take what I can get sure.
[00:23:09] Absolutely yeah class was a phenomenal film.
[00:23:13] It was great before we wrap up our talk about transformers because I know we can get a lot of attention.
[00:23:19] We have we this is what we do that we do that every time so.
[00:23:22] But one of the things we have to talk about before we wrap up and that's the music right because it had this amazing rock and roll soundtrack.
[00:23:32] And it's been pushed that forever sometimes who also sounds like sometimes fairly and sometimes sometimes.
[00:23:38] Sometimes didn't right like the touch is just it's just one of the things to ambush it that the touch and what is the other one there.
[00:23:49] Those two those two are amazing and I don't do you guys know about Cybertronics free yes.
[00:23:55] Cybertronics free.
[00:23:57] Yeah, you dress up as the attracts farmers and they do live.
[00:24:00] We're watching videos.
[00:24:02] Yeah, oh pretty very incredible based on based on Toronto.
[00:24:05] I think I love the soundtrack for and I think if I hadn't grown up with that movie and loving that movie so much I don't know if I could say that I would.
[00:24:16] You know because I was a big 80s sort of here man not all but like I mean even that the version of transformers is so yeah.
[00:24:26] The transformers see is a white is it like lion or it's the the name of the yeah they had a big name it wasn't stand bush that time.
[00:24:35] No even that version like it just starts off instantly is like oh you know what you're in for you're going to get some 80s rock and this movie is very doing the theme.
[00:24:44] And we're going to blow your minds and the way you know is kind of you know the OS or spirals into the side of the they are they should play with with the music you know.
[00:24:53] Yeah, and so work the music works really well and that respect too.
[00:24:57] They did the Superman credits to the flying in.
[00:25:01] Yeah coming into it.
[00:25:03] We I don't know if I mentioned this but I'm probably from share I have online when my son when my son was born he's a eight so about eight years ago.
[00:25:13] We we I convinced my wife to have his middle name be prime.
[00:25:17] Yeah.
[00:25:18] So amazing and we knew that we knew is I was like no matter what if he's a boy it's no links can be prime and we took us forever to come up with a first name we knew that the middle name is me prime we laid out Oliver's kind of fish Oliver prime.
[00:25:32] Yeah, yeah same same initial.
[00:25:36] So, and so I always talk about we're you know you know leave us talk about the same with with the training you know when prime you know get to the I met a strong.
[00:25:49] Which by the way we'd even talk about how hot rods run at fault for that and he has to read himself.
[00:25:55] Yeah, anyway, so I was talking about like it's some point I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I want not that I want Oliver to.
[00:26:04] Oliver to to get in a fight at school but if he was to get in a fight in the school hopefully like defending some like some other you know some one of his friends get some bully outstanding you know standing up for one of us like that and then one of his friends is going to he's I just want I want the scenario play out was once about the rush in.
[00:26:24] And another one says like no. This is the prime's fight.
[00:26:28] I want that and I want that in this life so badly but I have to be there the witness.
[00:26:34] It's a matter and you know somewhere somehow he's got to say one shell stand.
[00:26:40] Yeah, I'm so funny things I haven't been able to get him to the I would time I put the movie on farm is not interested.
[00:26:48] Yeah, I was wrong with your name after the sky.
[00:26:53] You should you should be into this.
[00:26:56] That's so funny.
[00:26:57] When we had our second child I try to get my wife to have his film and be drawn to the front for me.
[00:27:02] I have it.
[00:27:03] That's what you got your words.
[00:27:05] You need to have a girl named Megan Tron.
[00:27:08] Yeah, Megan Tron is for a living.
[00:27:10] Yeah, well, okay, that we talked about how the music seem.
[00:27:16] You know fit and was great. The one place where I felt like it didn't quite was was weird out of your anchovies.
[00:27:23] Yeah, exactly.
[00:27:24] So I felt so the place and they started doing that day.
[00:27:30] I'm like you're in the middle of a war. Why are you dancing?
[00:27:33] It was so funny.
[00:27:35] I second guest at that was even what they were saying.
[00:27:38] It was like are they saying stupid?
[00:27:40] Yeah, it's one of my, see and this is where I'm so torn because I am massive weird out there.
[00:27:46] Like I love your mouth.
[00:27:47] And so any excuse to have weird out in any movie or anything and anywhere at any time.
[00:27:52] And I'm on board.
[00:27:54] But as I watched it today, I'm like why here what's happening?
[00:28:00] It was the hardest thing.
[00:28:02] It doesn't fit with the rest of the tone of the what they've established for for the movie.
[00:28:08] I'm not looking at it.
[00:28:09] And they knew weird out of the name, you know.
[00:28:11] So you got to put it in there and it's not like it's a horrible song.
[00:28:16] It doesn't fit the rest of the movie.
[00:28:20] It just feels out of place.
[00:28:22] I agree.
[00:28:23] So one week's fun.
[00:28:25] Where are they daring to be stupid?
[00:28:27] I was so excited.
[00:28:29] I mean, every lyric of that song has zero and does make it easy.
[00:28:34] It's not even about robots.
[00:28:35] It's not even about like it's just a separate single.
[00:28:37] They got the lessons for it.
[00:28:40] It's little more.
[00:28:41] It's just something that they heard on TV.
[00:28:43] And that's the only song they do from TV.
[00:28:45] It's a bunch of cliches that he put to lyrics.
[00:28:48] You know what I mean?
[00:28:49] Like he, yeah.
[00:28:50] He just put a bunch of cliches in a row.
[00:28:53] That's how he wrote the song.
[00:28:54] And it's funny.
[00:28:55] Like when you hear the song, like it's one of his, you know, a great song.
[00:28:59] But it's just, yeah, completely out of place in that part of the movie.
[00:29:03] Put all your eggs in one basket.
[00:29:05] Counter-chicken through for the match.
[00:29:06] Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:07] It's just like that.
[00:29:08] Oh, but I didn't even realize this.
[00:29:10] One of the lyrics in the song is you better sell some wine before it's time.
[00:29:14] And Ourson Wells is in the movie.
[00:29:17] I guess you could look at it.
[00:29:19] That's the connection.
[00:29:20] If they are all kind of speaking for TV and just talk maybe it's just random stuff.
[00:29:25] That's a good one.
[00:29:26] That's a good one.
[00:29:27] Because it is those robots.
[00:29:28] Yeah, those weird ones.
[00:29:29] And so if you want to try to, you know, come up with some sort of meaning.
[00:29:33] You better squeeze all the sharmin'.
[00:29:34] You can't walk afterwards.
[00:29:35] That was the best part of like, who was this?
[00:29:38] But that is, that was what you said.
[00:29:42] Oh my gosh, you broke it.
[00:29:43] You broke in the code again.
[00:29:45] It's coming through from these robots.
[00:29:49] Right.
[00:29:50] Now I get it.
[00:29:51] How did that not realize that?
[00:29:52] Oh, my gosh.
[00:29:54] We won't get into like, well, I will ask you at least because I know that's one of your favorite movies.
[00:29:58] You love to transformers.
[00:29:59] Before we go, Mike, tell us what you think of Michael Bayes.
[00:30:03] You know, I don't know what you think.
[00:30:05] I remember when the first one came out, I was initially, it was almost like watching
[00:30:10] the fan of Venice.
[00:30:11] You know, we were like, you walk out of it.
[00:30:14] Oh yeah, that was great.
[00:30:15] Yeah, then afterwards.
[00:30:16] You can slowly realize, you know, it starts coming in.
[00:30:20] That's kind of me.
[00:30:21] It was like, I was just so excited to hear Optimus Prime and see that even
[00:30:25] the man says, no, it was fine.
[00:30:27] It was like, it was a good movie.
[00:30:30] But no, actually, I can't stand it.
[00:30:32] And I remember the second one, I don't think I saw a pass this second one.
[00:30:35] I'd actually try to go see the second one.
[00:30:37] It didn't get any better.
[00:30:39] I was so mad after it.
[00:30:41] I remember we were in like, I was next to some friends of ours that were driving
[00:30:48] they had driven to the movie and saw it with us.
[00:30:50] And they'd like threw money back into your car because they felt so back for me.
[00:30:54] Yeah, I had paid to go see this movie.
[00:30:58] And that was it. I didn't see, I don't think I saw any of the ones pass this
[00:31:03] second one to say just, any of the trailers just looks so horrible.
[00:31:06] You got me to see much.
[00:31:07] Yeah.
[00:31:08] I made you this grip lock fan.
[00:31:09] So just seeing in the trailer, you know what I did that.
[00:31:12] I was like, that's not something I want to.
[00:31:15] I want to.
[00:31:16] I heard that.
[00:31:18] I heard that not grip lock.
[00:31:20] I heard that the Bumblebee movie was a little bit better.
[00:31:23] The Bumblebee was amazing.
[00:31:25] Yeah.
[00:31:26] Yeah.
[00:31:27] I've seen how many she's on four times now.
[00:31:29] Yeah.
[00:31:30] Sorry.
[00:31:31] The old Boutou will be a new twin-in mid sequence alone.
[00:31:35] Yeah.
[00:31:36] Yeah.
[00:31:37] Yeah.
[00:31:38] Bumblebee hands down the best transformers modern transformers movie.
[00:31:41] Yeah.
[00:31:42] I would love to see more more.
[00:31:44] It helps us in the 80s too.
[00:31:46] So you guess.
[00:31:47] So it's the fact that it's a period piece definitely adds to the list.
[00:31:50] But also in 80s even though it's a, you know, it takes place in the 80s.
[00:31:54] But like, structurally it's also in 80s movie.
[00:31:57] That's true.
[00:31:58] The government of United States is happy to be just this little government that's in the small town just like any other 80s movie.
[00:32:07] Right.
[00:32:08] Yeah.
[00:32:09] And just all the little cliches that happen, it's, it's, it's, it's an 80s movie.
[00:32:14] I'm going to check it out.
[00:32:15] Oh yeah.
[00:32:16] Yeah.
[00:32:17] You have watched Bumblebee.
[00:32:18] It's, you need to really get.
[00:32:19] It's really good.
[00:32:20] And then the G1 vibe of the design of the, of the world.
[00:32:23] That's the reason I wanted to see it because when I saw on the trailer, they did a really good job of respecting these things.
[00:32:28] That's awesome.
[00:32:29] We've reached on these designs.
[00:32:30] Yeah.
[00:32:31] Plus there's just a ton of heart in that movie too.
[00:32:33] Yeah.
[00:32:34] There's so much more to the moments that really resonate and, yeah, the humor works.
[00:32:38] Everything's everything they do to ban the top for the phone.
[00:32:41] All right.
[00:32:42] Maybe we'll do a rewind to 2000 what 16 whenever the,
[00:32:46] Yeah.
[00:32:47] It's only about four years ago.
[00:32:48] Yeah.
[00:32:49] I think Mike may hack for sticking around with us for our rewind today.
[00:32:53] Mike, thank you for being here.
[00:32:54] I hope he had a good time.
[00:32:55] We'd love to have you back on the show some, some time maybe when your next,
[00:32:58] but come, well, I don't know how long is that going to be,
[00:33:01] I have to know, it's gonna be a few years.
[00:33:04] They will just have you on the show to talk about whatever we've seen.
[00:33:07] Yeah, I'll talk about that in the 80s, Mirody.
[00:33:09] There we go.
[00:33:10] Yeah.
[00:33:11] I watched most of them.
[00:33:12] Special thanks also again to Alia for coming back and being our youth,
[00:33:18] our youth voice, our less seasoned voice as she told us she was here.
[00:33:23] Mike, you were here at the beginning of the last episode.
[00:33:26] She was trying to think of a nice way to call us old and came up with season.
[00:33:33] I think so.
[00:33:34] Thank you, Alia.
[00:33:36] You're perspective is important to us, we are personally,
[00:33:40] you bring in that.
[00:33:42] And Utah, thanks again for being here on the show as well as always.
[00:33:46] Thank you.
[00:33:47] We are going to be talking about San Diego Comic-Con,
[00:33:50] this coming Friday on the next episode.
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